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174 comments already, and it's been posted over half the world. OK.

Coupla quick points, here:

1) I'm not endorsing or organizing any kind of fundraising drive for EITHER the Pine Ridge Res or for Planned Parenthood, though I heartily support both causes. The point of the post was merely to provide a point of contact.

2) Debates about abortion or the Pine Ridge financial situation are really not so much appropriate here. Take 'em somewhere else.

3) While I believe strongly that President Fire Thunder and her council are good and honest people, there have been charges of fraud and malfeasance levelled against her in the past. She was found not guilty of all those charges, and unanimously reinstated to the presidency after the investigation.

4) Do your homework. Don't send money blindly off to an address because some Internet yahoo said to. Yes, I am trustworthy and yes, the source for these addresses (snail and e) is President Fire Thunder herself, but do some independent confirmation _anyway_. Thankfully after the whole city_glitter fiasco, people are a lot more cautious, but still.

5) Welcome, y'all! This journal is incredibly boring. Seriously, I think the macaroni and cheese recipe is the most exciting thing to come across here in a month. ginmar I ain't.

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From:sistawendy
Date:March 23rd, 2006 06:57 am (UTC)
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Nibs, ever the journalist, mailed President Fire Thunder on her own.
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From:kathrynt
Date:March 23rd, 2006 06:59 am (UTC)
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Good!
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From:colorwhirl
Date:March 23rd, 2006 07:20 am (UTC)
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That mac and cheese was pretty exciting, I must say. There was much rejoicing over here when I showed it to Cory.
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From:kathrynt
Date:March 23rd, 2006 07:24 am (UTC)
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have you tried it yet?
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From:colorwhirl
Date:March 24th, 2006 07:31 pm (UTC)
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Not yet. It's on our date list because we thought it would be fun to cook and laugh and play (like we normally do) then enjoy our yummy mac and cheese food stuffs. We're both really excited about it, though.
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From:paraleipsis
Date:March 23rd, 2006 08:50 am (UTC)
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May I suggest editing the other post to link to this one? Most people will probably follow a link to the post and never look at your main journal page.

Thanks again for providing the info.
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From:rmd
Date:March 23rd, 2006 11:19 am (UTC)
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yeah, i posted your indianz link on the irc channel at work and we had a few go-rounds of "hey, wait, is this on the level?" and determined that there was a very out of date web page for pine ridge that didn't mention ms fire thunder. noticing that the copyright was a couple of years old helped with that.

i may actually try the mac and cheese recipe tonite. i figure claudia and i always make annie's, and she's way more of a creature of habit on this than i am, so as part of doing things i don't generally do when she's not around, i'm thinking i'll make experimental mac and cheese.

either that, or something involving a lot of tomato sauce. (BWAHAHAHAHA. take *THAT*, tomato sauce hating claudia.)
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From:clauclauclaudia
Date:March 24th, 2006 03:30 am (UTC)
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Oh noes!!!!11!
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From:rmd
Date:March 24th, 2006 03:36 am (UTC)

Oh noes!!!!11!

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HAHAHA. not only have i been making experimental mac and cheese, but i've also been drinking milk straight from the jug (since i knew i'd be done with it before you got back).


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From:ssha
Date:March 23rd, 2006 12:42 pm (UTC)
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city_glitter fiasco?
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From:emmacrew
Date:March 23rd, 2006 05:30 pm (UTC)
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city-glitter posted about her kitty, who needed lots of medical attention, and she was broke. People poured buckets of $ her way. Turned out that it was all because she'd had an argument with a family member who said "people aren't that trusting, nobody would send money to a stranger just to help" and that there was no sick/injured cat at all. I think she gave most of the money back, but it really ruined a lot of people's sense of trust, which is sad since she ran the whole "experiment" to attempt to demonstrate that that trust existed in the first place...
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From:rmd
Date:March 24th, 2006 03:42 am (UTC)
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(description of city_glitter fiasco snipped)

oh for chrissakes.

fuck that. seriously. fuck that right in the ear.
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From:ssha
Date:March 24th, 2006 12:42 pm (UTC)
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Oh right. I remember that now.
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From:threegoldfish
Date:March 23rd, 2006 05:40 pm (UTC)
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There's a lot of gorey detail here. All the links and background you could want.
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From:ssha
Date:March 24th, 2006 12:43 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, I remember now. I just didn't immediately trigger on the name.
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From:ssha
Date:March 24th, 2006 12:43 pm (UTC)
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Heh.
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From:browngirl
Date:March 23rd, 2006 01:08 pm (UTC)
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This is why I was saying how brave you are. :) Frankly, I'm relieved for you it hasn't been worse (a cowardly anonymouse, a racist troll, a couple accusations of financial malfeasance--- did I miss anything?) and I really hope it stays that way.

*is proud to know you*
*hugs you*
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From:tezliana
Date:March 23rd, 2006 04:20 pm (UTC)
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Hey... I don't know you, but I came by your previous post after links to it started showing up on my f-list. I think it's great that Ms. Fire Thunder wants to have a Planned Parenthood clinic on the Pine Ridge Res.

However, I checked with Planned Parenthood of Minnesota and the Dakotas. The full text of their email is in my LJ in a rare unlocked post. The gist is PP is not currently planning to establish a clinic on tribal land. I was hoping for better news from them, but there it is. Hopefully in the future, things will change. Whether that change will come to the Pine Ridge Res or to all of South Dakota, I hope it comes soon.
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From:cawingcrow
Date:March 24th, 2006 07:56 pm (UTC)
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This article is quoting Ms. Fire Thunder as saying there WON'T be one at Pine Ridge -- I wonder how accurate his info is?:

http://www.indiancountry.com/content.cfm?feature=yes&id=1096412706
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From:tezliana
Date:March 24th, 2006 08:46 pm (UTC)
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If it is accurate, it would seem that Ms. Fire Thunder has been persuaded to step back from her pledge. There could be many reasons for her to do so, but the one that leaps first to my mind is legal difficulties.

There are some really tricky legal issues in regards to dealings between recognized sovereign tribal entities and individual States, and also between those entities and the Federal government. It could be that any clinic operating on tribal lands in South Dakota would not legally be able to provide services to non-residents.

I don't know... I'm just guessing here, but that's my $0.02.
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From:nyxalinth
Date:March 23rd, 2006 05:18 pm (UTC)
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Hi. I found you through faire_damsel who had a link to your fundraising. I'm going to post a link on my own journal, if that's okay.
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From:vagal_nerve
Date:March 23rd, 2006 08:42 pm (UTC)

Friends?

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Your post made my day! I won't post a link -my friend circle is small, they'll see it.

And love macaroni and cheese.
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From:perclexed
Date:March 23rd, 2006 08:44 pm (UTC)
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As a mac 'n cheese lover, I thought that post was rather exciting. ;D
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From:hammaboo
Date:March 23rd, 2006 10:27 pm (UTC)
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I think I might try your mac'n'chz recipe tonight - it looks good! We had some interests in common, so I friended you. Hope that's ok.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:March 24th, 2006 09:41 pm (UTC)

Thanks for the info

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Hey, just wanted to thank you for all of this. I didn't get to read all of the comments on the previous thread, so I don't know the situation for sure. I'm hoping that this idea (PP opening on the Pine Ridge Reservation) becomes a reality. It's a better alternative to coat hangers.
I posted a link to your site here (http://www.theatheistmama.com/2006/03/president_fire_thunder_of_the.html).
Thanks!!
Cassandra (http://www.theatheistmama.com)
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From:pynk_spyder
Date:March 25th, 2006 09:48 am (UTC)

Here's hopin' it all works out

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Cecilia Fire Thunder is my aunt. All I can say is that I believe her to be trustworthy, despite the politically motivated allegations against her. Of course, you can choose whether or not to believe that, seeing as you could probably assume I'm biased. :-)

As a strong pro-choice advocate, I sincerely hope we'll be seeing something like a Planned Parenthood Clinic on the reservation soon. Not only because of the new abortion law, but because of the massive amount of poverty and teenage pregnancy occuring on the reservation. As I remember, there were a disturbing amount of pregnancies in my high school class (which only included about 23 people).
From:(Anonymous)
Date:July 1st, 2006 08:16 pm (UTC)

Re: Here's hopin' it all works out

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we're journalists going out to pine ridge in july 2006. if you want to get in touch, email pineridgeeducation@yahoo.com.

Thanks
From:(Anonymous)
Date:March 25th, 2006 12:29 pm (UTC)
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Nice to see some other males showing support to President Fire Thunder. I just sent this to the 500+ email addresses my Sister-in-law forwarded in her last breast cancer fund raising message. So sorry to hear you are bored, enjoy your Mac. & cheese. Love your picture. Keep on rockin' in a free world.
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From:kathrynt
Date:March 25th, 2006 07:17 pm (UTC)
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Er, thanks for the support. . . but I am a woman. I agree, though, it's great to see men and women both behind this issue.
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From:ultracool
Date:March 25th, 2006 08:02 pm (UTC)
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hi-- i found your lj through a friend, an actual friend who is also on my friends list. i added you because you write about important things. rock on.
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From:kathrynt
Date:March 25th, 2006 08:03 pm (UTC)
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*grin* why thank you. I hope you enjoy it!
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From:ultracool
Date:March 25th, 2006 08:06 pm (UTC)
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definitely.

i also just posted some more info on the ever-developing oglala sioux clinic, if you haven't read it already.

and congratulations!
From:(Anonymous)
Date:April 15th, 2006 07:14 am (UTC)

Don't be a chucklehead

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Of course you're endorsing the plan.

Don't be a chucklehead, this is the perfect place for a debate about abortion. When you endorse it, you open the door to debating.
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